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the first speaker this afternoon is mr

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david cayton on my right hand side here

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he's going to address you till about

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three o'clock this afternoon and we'll

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have another short break and then uh

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david hadrian will finish off the

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afternoon for us

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now

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david served 10 years in the raf as a

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photographer from 1955 to 1965

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enjoying interest in cold war times and

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served in the uk cyprus and germany

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now during his last 18 months of service

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he became involved in ndt which is

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non-destructive testing

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and in 1966 he joined the engineering

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research department at hawker sydney

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aviation at manchester which later

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became british aerospace and bie systems

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all right

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by 1970 been promoted to the head of ndt

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in the design department laboratories at

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woodford

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after 27 years service david took an

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early retirement package in january 1993

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pardon me

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and in october that year he became a ufo

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investigator for quest international

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reporter ex police sergeant tony dodd

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who you may know

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and director graham birdsell

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in 1994 he joined the center for crop

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circle studies and spent approximately

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12 years researching the crop circles

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then in 1997 he decided that

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investigating the problem of unusual

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animal deaths and mutilations might

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produce more positive evidence that our

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planet is being regularly visited by

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david teamed up with phil hoyle in 2001

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and formed the animal pathology field

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unit the apfu

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and has since given numerous radio and

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television interviews on the subjects of

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ufos

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crop circles and animal mutilations

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he's taken part in live tv studio

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debates

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and contributed to several television

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documentaries including some with

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you'll be familiar with of rich planet

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television

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now today david will be addressing you

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on the subject of jodrell bank ufo

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events

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so please give a welcome to mr david

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cayton thank you

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thank you for your patience

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yeah so

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this image is a horse we went to look at

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in 2015 in leicestershire

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uh richard although this bit these

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pictures were taken by the horse owner

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okay so i was just

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relaxing to say not see anything nasty

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so we're going to sunny cypress first of

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and you can see from the back but

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i was there in 1957 to 60

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uh so it was like a two and a half year

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tour and we were based in a place called

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piscope which is there

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the airfield is about there

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and then if you're not just note

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up in the mountains of the

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trudus range is mount olympus

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here it's about six and a half thousand

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feet in height and there's a

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had the pleasure of going back to cyprus

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for our middle daughter won a

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competition as a wedding fair in

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for four thousand euros to have a

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wedding in cyprus which was in paphos

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which was delightful

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which is uh army and all services it's

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i worked as an outfit called jerich

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middle east which is the joint air

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reconnaissance intelligence center

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sounds very grand isn't it

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and we were episcopal so it was all

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about hush hush

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so this was the uh jericho

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dodge we had all sorts of roles because

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in those days there was still a lot of

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trouble with the yoga terrorists

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with the greek government trying to take

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and wanted us out

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and there was lots of resistance to that

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the greeks said no we want it like

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so that cause upset and

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the setup uh well the greek organization

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was called enosis which means union you

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and this terrorist organization was born

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called the yoga

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general grievous i don't really remember

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all this about this sort of thing

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turmoil so there's a lot of varied

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and then we're making big prints and

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enlargements to pass to the army who

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were on the ground trying to help them

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where the ilka terrorists were so it was

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quite a varied thing

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there was a few problems on the count

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like they were secreting

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explosives onto the base and blowing up

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a building that we're building that

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science mess and then it blew down

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fuses which took time to cause explosion

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and then they came back the next day and

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built it all back up again so

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it was quite serious so there's curfews

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recent on google image

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this area here

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lot 10 which has just been demolished we

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station which is a fairly more recent

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which is still in operation and it's in

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a very important strategic place

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why british government came to

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keep our presence there

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now then i'm leading on to

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a ufo event which was detected by the

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radar on trudos

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the chapman here harry potter

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unfortunately now he's deceased he had a

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heart attack in his

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workshop some years ago and uh he didn't

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uh so that was between

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problems where you go off again we had a

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vehicle and all around the island at the

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this chap here you can recognize i think

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so he was up on duty

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they just had a stint of about three

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radar folk were developing and playing

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uh threat

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so barry heard this well the date was um

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18th of august i'm sorry it wasn't the

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about later august 1958 and you heard

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assuming he was going to be required he

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so this object

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anyway it was um the radio operators

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and it was decided to scramble

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to hunter jets

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military jets were approaching and it

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and then from 38 000 feet it jumped to

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60 000 just like that

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quick as that

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which was remarkable so the hunters

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this was like six o'clock in the morning

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the wing commander

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ranked he was quite senior had driven up

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the tortuous rose

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from nicosia headquarters which probably

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and said well you know you've all signed

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official secrets that you don't talk

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our my friends and colleagues from

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cyprus were kept in touch after we were

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returned from to the uk

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so why

292
00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:21,040
barry broke his his oath

293
00:12:26,230 --> 00:12:23,920
knowing my interests so this sort of

294
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really sparked me off

295
00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:28,000
because here was some solid military

296
00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:29,360
evidence

297
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of uh

298
00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,200
contact with et's

299
00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:35,279
so

300
00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:37,360
that was just a picture of yeah that's

301
00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:39,600
the thing that we all had to sign

302
00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:42,800
although this is an update version of 89

303
00:12:45,670 --> 00:12:44,480
but just so i should have had that on

304
00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:45,680
the screen when i was talking to my

305
00:12:53,509 --> 00:12:51,190
right

306
00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:53,519
now at the same time

307
00:12:58,470 --> 00:12:56,560
this was 18th of august

308
00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:58,480
in 1958

309
00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:00,720
this case became

310
00:13:03,829 --> 00:13:02,480
very significant to me

311
00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:03,839
because it was around the same time it

312
00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:05,120
could have been the same day even i

313
00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:07,120
don't know

314
00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:15,590
38 squadron

315
00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:16,959
and

316
00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:21,200
the pilot it involves a scroll leader

317
00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:23,040
and he was in charge of flying in a

318
00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:24,720
shackleton

319
00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:27,760
uh mr mark ii

320
00:13:32,829 --> 00:13:29,519
and their job was to

321
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:32,839
uh fly down to cyprus down the med and

322
00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:36,160
then use a cherry as a base and then go

323
00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:37,839
around

324
00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:42,480
cyprus looking for green gunboats

325
00:13:49,030 --> 00:13:44,959
bringing arms in to supply a yoke of

326
00:13:51,190 --> 00:13:49,040
terrorists so that was their job

327
00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:51,200
yeah and this is a picture i took on

328
00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:54,160
legends street a photographer's shop

329
00:13:57,189 --> 00:13:56,000
and you've got oh i keep pressing the

330
00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:57,199
wrong thing

331
00:14:02,629 --> 00:13:59,760
you've got general grievous there

332
00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:02,639
marcarius and these guys are all

333
00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:03,760
obviously

334
00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:06,399
local probably heroes to them a yoga

335
00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:07,440
terrorist

336
00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:08,480
and that

337
00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:10,560
that was the main display in the

338
00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:12,320
photographer's window which i thought

339
00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:13,920
was interesting

340
00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:22,150
so all night this particular evening

341
00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:24,870
scrum leader gordon burgess's name

342
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:27,120
he retired as a

343
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:29,040
group captain

344
00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:32,399
uh and he got the cbe um

345
00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:34,160
worked with sir frank whittle

346
00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:37,120
developing the jets he was commissioned

347
00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:40,240
from cronwell in 1940

348
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:42,000
it went through the war

349
00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:42,959
um

350
00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:44,880
did all sorts of uh

351
00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:48,079
work with embassies he was in washington

352
00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:49,199
uh

353
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,600
he was told to entertain a russian air

354
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:53,040
force general

355
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:55,279
uh in london

356
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:56,160
you know

357
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:58,639
very impeccable mixed career

358
00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:01,040
so a man of high integrity

359
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:03,680
and he was giving a talk

360
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:06,160
uh i just came about to a group of

361
00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:11,430
staffordshire

362
00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:12,800
for i think i think there were a

363
00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:14,639
scientific group or something

364
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:16,720
and one of the persons in the audience

365
00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:19,440
ran the staffordshire ufo group called

366
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,800
graham allen

367
00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:22,800
and he asked him would he give the talk

368
00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,360
again as you focus which he did but he

369
00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:27,440
didn't set out to talk about the ufo

370
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,000
experience i'm about to describe

371
00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:32,240
he he was talking about his raf career

372
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:34,480
and he just said all to hell with it i'm

373
00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:37,040
80 odd now i'm going to tell you

374
00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:40,720
and i'll meet you now i'm telling you so

375
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:43,519
so they were um

376
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:45,839
he went they went to pick up all the

377
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:47,519
ground crew

378
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:49,360
and they were flying back

379
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,959
and they got to about here just off

380
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:52,399
crete

381
00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:54,800
sort of two three in the morning

382
00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:56,079
and uh

383
00:16:02,710 --> 00:15:59,680
so we had 17 people aboard his airplane

384
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:02,720
and this chap on one of the observers or

385
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:05,680
whatever said uh captain we've got a

386
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:06,720
uh

387
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,279
crafts that are left off our poor pal

388
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,880
showing a red light

389
00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:12,320
so they all said well that's couldn't be

390
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:13,920
an aircraft because if it was on the

391
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:16,639
port that's their starboard wing

392
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,959
so it should be green

393
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:19,839
um

394
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:21,759
anyway it was it was following them and

395
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:23,440
tracking them maintaining their height

396
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:25,920
and altitude which was only about 2000

397
00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,949
and uh

398
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:35,110
also i was just a picture of vacation

399
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:36,639
took when he was down there to show how

400
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:38,560
he's set off from

401
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,639
and this is a

402
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:42,720
shackleton which is used to be on eight

403
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,040
squadrons lossy mouth which is

404
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:47,120
the coventry air museum it's the same

405
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:52,629
sorry i missed that slide which is the

406
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:55,680
close-up showing where aladdin was

407
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,399
now what he did he got

408
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,560
he couldn't see the the craft very well

409
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,240
from the because the engines and the

410
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:04,799
wing from the pilot seat anyway he got

411
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:05,839
everybody

412
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:08,240
one at a time to climb up

413
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,160
to the bubble the observation bubble on

414
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:13,199
the top because he wanted 17 good

415
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,880
witnesses to see what they were seeing

416
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:18,959
and then he did a very clever bit of

417
00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:20,959
flying with the old shack which was the

418
00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:23,839
development of the lancaster bomber

419
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,839
and he actually

420
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,919
dived it

421
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:29,679
and then pulled the stick back

422
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:32,400
and sort of upwards and it

423
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:35,039
dropped speed rapidly and that meant he

424
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,720
got behind the ufo

425
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,200
for a short time and he realized it was

426
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:43,600
a cylinder shape it was estimated being

427
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,720
60 to 70 feet long damage there they

428
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,240
were a bit vague about and they had this

429
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:51,280
one red light at the front

430
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,799
so having got behind the the tubular

431
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,120
cylindrical ufo

432
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:59,679
it quickly readjusted itself back to the

433
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:01,200
port wind

434
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:02,080
and

435
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:04,640
so they sent certain coding radio

436
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:05,919
signals

437
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:08,240
on the nato network to

438
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,679
luca

439
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:11,760
and was decided

440
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:15,200
to scramble some aircraft and there were

441
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:18,320
these uh night inceptives called jeff

442
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,880
lost the travelings i remember them

443
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:22,720
weren't too successful they tended to go

444
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,840
on fire when they were starting the

445
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,600
engines up

446
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,480
anyway they set off

447
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,200
and they were they were 30 000 feet

448
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,200
and when they got a short distance from

449
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,840
where they could see visually

450
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:37,919
the shackleton they confirmed there was

451
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:41,600
another object alongside the aircraft

452
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,280
so they sort of dive down from thirty

453
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:45,280
thousand in the meantime

454
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,480
gordon

455
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:48,559
burgess raised their aircraft to about

456
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:51,360
ten thousand feet

457
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,720
and shortly after the javelins appeared

458
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,720
the thing just shot away

459
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,679
gone

460
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,440
and also off radar

461
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,360
and when they got back to base they all

462
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,240
each of them had to write out a report

463
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:05,600
sort of interview

464
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:08,840
which he said was passed off to london

465
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:12,000
so i'm not suggesting necessarily that

466
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:13,679
the object that they saw was the same

467
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:17,039
thing that was on radar and barry porter

468
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,600
that was up at trudus

469
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:21,760
because i think

470
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:22,960
i don't know

471
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,120
cylinder would be a poorer reflector

472
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,840
than say a triangle or a disc

473
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,840
but who knows it was roughly the same

474
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,679
time which i thought was interesting

475
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:33,440
that's why i've included this

476
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,080
in my chart today

477
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:38,000
um

478
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:41,039
there might be things i miss but uh

479
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:41,919
anyway

480
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:44,400
from i'm just quickly going through

481
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,679
some things that

482
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:47,520
steve said about me i didn't know you

483
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:50,880
got a lot of information um

484
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,669
sorry 65 i'm thinking about

485
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,760
uh i went to british aerospace in

486
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,360
manchester

487
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,600
uh and

488
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:05,039
they were interested in my ndt

489
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:06,880
experience not supposed to photographic

490
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:07,840
side

491
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,640
and

492
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,559
things went on from there

493
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,640
and that's just a picture taken by the

494
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,720
company photographers in our x-ray

495
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,080
exposure room

496
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:18,559
my colleagues x-raying a victor in the

497
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,200
flap because we converted the victor

498
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:23,600
bombers to k2 tankers

499
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:26,080
prior to the falklands war

500
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,200
and

501
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:31,430
picture of the radiograph of the ribs

502
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,919
inside which used to crack up partly due

503
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,760
to acoustic fatigue

504
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,760
from the engines

505
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:39,600
so

506
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,390
and then you're measuring the distance

507
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,200
to get the exposure time and mike is

508
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:51,440
passing the envelopes of x-ray film

509
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,400
behind it

510
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,950
this is a new review i took from a

511
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,280
glider one of the guys in our lab was a

512
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,600
guardian gladi instructor at woodford

513
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,600
this is from a power glider because i

514
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,760
wanted to get certain pictures

515
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,760
uh for something to do with the end of

516
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,360
the vulcans

517
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,559
and uh

518
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,240
approaching their own way so this is a

519
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:14,240
very historic airfield

520
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,799
of av row elliott verdenroe from 1920s

521
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,280
and uh

522
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,159
many aircraft were there i got this

523
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,200
picture because in 1986

524
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:28,880
the air force decided to retire the

525
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,840
vulcan fleet and we built 136 all

526
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,320
together a different march mark ones and

527
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:36,159
one a's and two

528
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,280
and uh

529
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,840
they paid a tribute to the

530
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,360
airfield the

531
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:42,880
place of their birth

532
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,240
and uh did a four

533
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,120
uh squadron flyover for a formative i

534
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:50,880
think it was very unusual to see four

535
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,840
vulcans together and this one down here

536
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,159
which is xm603 is our

537
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,880
gate guard so

538
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,280
we now have a very good

539
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,520
avro historical

540
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,720
museum

541
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,320
which is built in the mobilesale fire

542
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,320
station which opened about two years ago

543
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:09,200
now

544
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,640
we've got 603 it's the side of it and

545
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,960
inside it developed the main

546
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,039
display area

547
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,440
there's a timeline from all the

548
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,360
designs and products that actually were

549
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,240
built and flown as you work round to

550
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,799
this side

551
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,559
we've got the lancaster in the middle

552
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,760
and so on

553
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,080
with the type model number and design

554
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:34,240
number and the years

555
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,360
and then

556
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,240
right around to the nimrods at 2011 when

557
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,159
they decided to close the factory and

558
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,240
the mod bless them decided to scrap the

559
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,480
nimrod and cut up brand new error plays

560
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:45,919
we just made

561
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,640
and buy american a wax which were all

562
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,799
boring 707s

563
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,240
ridiculous

564
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,320
thing and all because the marconi who

565
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,520
were doing the radar couldn't

566
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,000
successfully produce the radar to do the

567
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,720
business so they got a bit

568
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,480
annoyed and pulled the plugs on it that

569
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,120
was the end of woodford

570
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,280
and 603 is parked outside just been

571
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,000
recently painted up and very smart if

572
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,679
you're ever in the manchester area it's

573
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,679
well worth the visit so open friday

574
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,400
saturday and sunday to the public

575
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:17,919
and then i

576
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:24,149
and

577
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,590
decided i would become a ufo

578
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,080
investigator in 93

579
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,320
and this is tony dodd

580
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,240
i mean lots of you know

581
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,480
and he was he'd sign his book he wrote a

582
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,440
book

583
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,280
called alien investigators unfortunately

584
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,840
not many were published i don't know how

585
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,320
easy it is to get one but i'm still got

586
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:43,840
them but it's a

587
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,390
and then i got involved in doing reports

588
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,400
and

589
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:54,320
articles for graham burton's ufo

590
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,440
magazine

591
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,120
latterly obviously i've done all the

592
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:01,430
and then

593
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,559
this chap

594
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,039
who i met in manchester studio funnily

595
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:07,760
enough to do with the ray santilli alien

596
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,510
the film had just gone out on the

597
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,559
documentary on channel 5

598
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,080
along with all the stuff about cattle

599
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,840
mutilations which was a very good

600
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,200
documentary

601
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,840
and the producer withheld it until ray

602
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:26,080
santilli said you can all now use the

603
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,919
footage you bought off me at great cost

604
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,440
and uh

605
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,000
tony fremont and a colleague

606
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,080
were invited by the bbc

607
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,919
to view the footage and then come into

608
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,480
the breakfast studio on friday morning

609
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:41,360
uh

610
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,480
bbc radio manchester

611
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,200
uh and uh

612
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,279
i was a great lucky meat so i thank you

613
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,600
to ray santelli and who had never met

614
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,039
tony fremont

615
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,960
but for that

616
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,720
uh episode

617
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,400
and uh

618
00:25:03,750 --> 00:24:59,679
the

619
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,760
thought it was a hoax i mean i say we

620
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,000
quest international and great personal

621
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,679
graham couldn't make the studio because

622
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,679
he had some other engagement and he was

623
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,679
away from 40 odd miles in leeds and now

624
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,679
only 12 miles down the road from the

625
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,760
studio so i said would i mind

626
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,279
standing in to

627
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:19,600
give the quest view

628
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,559
on this

629
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,159
but they hadn't told the two lady

630
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,640
presenters the producers that i

631
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,360
or

632
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,559
ufology

633
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,520
were dubious about it they thought i was

634
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,279
going to stand up and say eureka here's

635
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,200
a smoking gun sort of thing

636
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,880
and i didn't know who this guy was sat

637
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:36,880
opposite me on this round table

638
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,159
turned out to be professor tony freemont

639
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,440
who was a pathologist at manchester uni

640
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,880
and he does a lot of

641
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,760
crime investigations you know examining

642
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,120
the

643
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,919
bodies of murder victims so he knows his

644
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,039
stuff

645
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,480
so after the

646
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,080
event

647
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,159
which all felt a bit flat because they

648
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,760
were expecting a ding-dong argument

649
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,320
between in this case me and tony fremont

650
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,840
about the validity of the alien autopsy

651
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,840
anyway as we came out of the studio i

652
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,320
said to him exchange notes who we who he

653
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,039
was and who i was and i said i was a bit

654
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,200
interested in involved in trying to find

655
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,440
out more about animals mutualization

656
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:18,720
would he help

657
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,679
and he said yes i would i'm interested

658
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:22,720
in that

659
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,909
for cow

660
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:29,919
mutilation in utah

661
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:33,200
with a very i have a proper side of this

662
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,559
of an eye of the cow within the

663
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,400
optical or orbit

664
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,559
and the skin sort of machine chip hand

665
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,720
out so he was reading that i think so i

666
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,159
took his picture and this was at home

667
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,760
you know set up a home in timberly

668
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,600
so his marvelous chap

669
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,000
and eventually he came to my house tony

670
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,720
dodd came down from grassington with a

671
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,320
load of pictures of animals and some of

672
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,480
what linda milton howe's book one of her

673
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,000
first books

674
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,149
he was he was interested and what really

675
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,279
set him off wanting to assist me

676
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,440
because tony dodd then opened a brown

677
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,159
envelope with the five or six pictures

678
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,400
of the human mutilation from brazil in

679
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,760
1988 which i'm sure you're all aware of

680
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,159
and being a pathologist that really

681
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:23,600
fired him up

682
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,400
so

683
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,240
okay

684
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,269
three years later in 2000

685
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,120
i met up with phil hoyle who lives in

686
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,240
strawsbury who's very much into ufos and

687
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:38,320
i think he's been an abductee for many

688
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,279
years

689
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,360
and ran his own little group and and

690
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:43,120
support group from people who have been

691
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,480
abducted

692
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,120
and he was interested in the animals

693
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,120
so we formed a group

694
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,039
called the animal pathology field unit

695
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,640
which was phil's idea because that was

696
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,559
this title we've abandoned about various

697
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,559
things inside that was good

698
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,559
and we did we thought it was legit to

699
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,000
say pathology because we had a

700
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,960
professional pathology on board

701
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,840
so since incidentally he has been warned

702
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,760
off as we expected

703
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,559
and

704
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,240
was told i think to

705
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,159
back off and not assist us anymore which

706
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:14,240
is another clue of why you want to cover

707
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,360
this up

708
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,080
so even though he was a senior professor

709
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,399
at manchester uni and he wasn't worried

710
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,880
about his peers

711
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,480
giving him any grief

712
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,559
for what he was doing to help me i mean

713
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,559
i took him very sheep bodies and so on

714
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,760
to look at

715
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,919
using all their formalites of one day

716
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,880
for six

717
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,240
lamb bodies

718
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,360
um

719
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:36,799
but it was when

720
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,919
professor of pathology in

721
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,440
liverpool

722
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,120
that we went to see for a couple of

723
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,240
hours he was friendly with a defra head

724
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,960
of the labs in barton hall near preston

725
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,120
and he obviously tipped off him and the

726
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,000
next main minute you know tony dodd

727
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,799
fremont gets told to back off

728
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,039
so it just goes on and on

729
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,559
so we did have a website in fact we just

730
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,159
suppose you said it redone with a new

731
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,799
guy to set it up

732
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:07,600
so

733
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:08,480
i

734
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,640
near a place called

735
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,559
lidney

736
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,880
uh the 35 sheep

737
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,320
were attacked

738
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,159
and we went down there to look out

739
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,399
before the farmer disposed of them and a

740
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,520
veterinary lady came up to take one of

741
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,080
the bodies or two heads to x-ray because

742
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,399
they thought the police or guns had been

743
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,960
used to kill them but they haven't

744
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,559
so i

745
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,080
messed around with the time for the

746
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,399
title anyway it's because i didn't use

747
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,950
richard hall decided when he wanted his

748
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,880
first documentary he did

749
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,679
on the

750
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,559
subject of ufos was with me about the

751
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,240
animals which really got richard

752
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:03,360
interested

753
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,840
so we decided to call it silent killers

754
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,279
so so it's what we're very fortunate

755
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,880
really is people aren't riches around

756
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,120
who will do things that mainstream media

757
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,600
won't touch

758
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,399
on all sorts of topics as you know

759
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,880
uh this is him filming the lady who owns

760
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,480
that horse

761
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,480
claire what's her name is

762
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:26,080
how cross she was

763
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,440
with the authorities and we still

764
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,720
haven't got

765
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:30,960
the autopsy report

766
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,600
because the rspca you know is an

767
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,520
organization that's voluntary lives on

768
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,799
voluntary

769
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,640
people donating

770
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,320
are blocking

771
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,320
the release and the information on the

772
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,159
post mortem which they claim they paid

773
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,159
for but i believe

774
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,000
the mod or defra sorry probably paid the

775
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,520
rspca

776
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,720
because they're quite expensive

777
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,399
especially they did two horses actually

778
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,480
was two cases so we're talking a lot of

779
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,440
money

780
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,200
and i don't think the public were very

781
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,720
happy or the rspca hierarchy if they

782
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,760
knew that

783
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,720
they'd laid out so much of your money

784
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,000
on

785
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,480
having two horses postmortem which had

786
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,399
been attacked by aliens that wouldn't go

787
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,840
down well would it

788
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:14,799
so

789
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,720
got dual roles and this chap is an

790
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,559
inspector rank

791
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,440
uh

792
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,600
obviously knew what was what

793
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,840
was making damn sure

794
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,200
that you know

795
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,200
this was wasn't going to leak out the

796
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:33,919
actual factual information from the pm

797
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,320
so despite claire's

798
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,240
adamant and insistence that oh i'm the

799
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,159
owner i'm going to get one

800
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,159
um he tried to say so i don't think you

801
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:44,240
will but anyway we still haven't

802
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:47,600
see where we are two years on some time

803
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,519
so this was a head review of the horse

804
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:53,600
which is typical of so many same sort of

805
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,640
wounds in the same areas and so on

806
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,480
anyway what

807
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,679
i think

808
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,000
it's my opinion i could be wrong on this

809
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:04,559
and why all this is top secret it's not

810
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:08,159
so much the animals it's it's the humans

811
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,840
and this poor lady is only 17

812
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:15,600
um uh

813
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,279
lisandra hart's benedict name is

814
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,080
from 2009 so we were talking just a few

815
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,600
years ago

816
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,720
um

817
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,600
so

818
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,919
she's got just like the cows and the

819
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:30,159
wall islands there's trapanning and the

820
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,039
lip

821
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:32,720
and she's got a wound down here which i

822
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,789
sorry it's a bit upsetting but

823
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,480
and then there's a young man just notes

824
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,000
uh

825
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,880
this jaw cut around the teeth and this

826
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,880
eye socket here

827
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,480
we've got this young man here i don't

828
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,159
know where he's from but feeling his

829
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,919
eastern european

830
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,960
um it's got a similar

831
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,600
jaw cut around there and the eyes

832
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,600
and he's got holes in his arms where

833
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,080
they've taken muscles and so on

834
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:06,080
and so i've got quite a few of these

835
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,120
images

836
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:09,279
which richard also has but it's not sort

837
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,640
of we're not sure what to do with them

838
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,679
um

839
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,360
so some of them have come off the dark

840
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,919
web you know that way

841
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,600
um

842
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,600
not by me right i hasten to wear i don't

843
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,080
go into the dark web

844
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,159
anyway and then i got involved the crop

845
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:28,240
circles a bit before that

846
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,360
because i decided in 97

847
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,279
having spent three years as a researcher

848
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,760
on ufos taking reports and sending stuff

849
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:38,559
to quest i thought well i could go on to

850
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:39,200
the

851
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,080
i'm not going to get any more

852
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,600
valid data

853
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,279
people you either believe a person has

854
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,200
seen something or not and they make a

855
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,320
report and it's their opinion even if

856
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,600
it's got an image of someone's what

857
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,080
people say oh it's easy these days with

858
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,519
all the technologies to hook and it

859
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,039
hooks an image

860
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,149
this chap here on the right

861
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,600
i keep doing this sorry

862
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,869
he worked at british aerospace as well

863
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,280
he was a bit of a buffing actually

864
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,359
roy dutton righty dutton

865
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,800
had been into

866
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,119
crop circles in the early days in the

867
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,960
mid 80s

868
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,879
when there were a lot of genuine crop

869
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,639
circles which there were to start with

870
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,639
them all were probably

871
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,320
um

872
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,440
and he

873
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,679
said to me i think you ought to join the

874
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:35,200
center for crop circle studies which i

875
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,079
did

876
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,240
a few years and uh

877
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,599
it kicked off

878
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,320
so robert on my right we decided i

879
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,399
acquainted him with the crop circles and

880
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,240
with some reluctance because he was very

881
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:48,639
skeptical about them even then

882
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:51,919
in 97 or 2000 by then we went down and

883
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:54,159
spent a lot of time on them

884
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,200
and

885
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,599
david biggs you might be hearing soon at

886
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,560
your group

887
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,119
he's a bit of a wiz with photography and

888
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,640
doing messing about and obviously you

889
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,079
produce this

890
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,359
little diagram picture

891
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,560
we've got

892
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,800
ufo over silvery hill

893
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,400
which is still a big mystery actually

894
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,920
they don't really know who built surreal

895
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,040
and what it was for despite excavations

896
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,200
on two occasions

897
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:21,359
and now i'm coming to

898
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,480
another job to do with aircraft

899
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:27,680
and the raf particularly in the mod

900
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:34,550
had a dog fight with a ufo well not

901
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,520
quite a dog fight the media tend to

902
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,520
put things in a certain way

903
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,920
anyway his name is

904
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,560
milton tourism major he retired as a

905
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,400
major after

906
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,960
25 years i think in the usa

907
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,839
um this came to light to me through a

908
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,240
fellow called harry harris

909
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,200
and harry was quite a keen ufologist

910
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,520
and was keen on abduction stuff

911
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,440
and then had some

912
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,160
doctors who did

913
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,000
hypnotic regression

914
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,520
and harry being a solicitor his

915
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,560
particular forte was conveyancing he was

916
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,280
in london on a top-up course they had to

917
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,359
do to keep their

918
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,040
license up if you like

919
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,520
he went into a steakhouse to eat one

920
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,000
night he was in a queue

921
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,839
with his tray to get served and there

922
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,079
was two american ladies in front of him

923
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,079
i need to make conversation he said oh

924
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,589
and he said well yes we are but my

925
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:35,200
husband who was actually in the toilet

926
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,320
at the time

927
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:38,640
and the other husband was also there

928
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,000
uh you know as a pilot and they were

929
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,240
being tomorrow manson for a reunion

930
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:46,079
which they had i think every other year

931
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,040
or something

932
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,760
so harry being harry as all people

933
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,520
should do if you

934
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,520
get to speak to a pilot say have you

935
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,440
ever seen a ufo

936
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,520
so harry says sir

937
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,119
you know your puzzle is a pilot i mean

938
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,800
this in the ufo she said oh yes i

939
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,680
thought he thought he was ordered to

940
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,680
shoot one down and harry nilly dropped

941
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,599
his tray

942
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,040
and he ended up joining them at the

943
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,960
table to have the meal

944
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,680
and

945
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:11,200
found out the story

946
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,839
and

947
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,640
then

948
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,480
um

949
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:16,000
milton

950
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:17,119
emailed

951
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,160
long

952
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,839
first-hand accounts

953
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,040
of the sortie to harry's address

954
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,480
which i have

955
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,560
but harry mean harry he rather kept it

956
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,240
to himself you know

957
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,160
i found

958
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,800
regardless of people's character

959
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,520
and good work a lot of ufologists

960
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,040
are a bit like people who collect fine

961
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,800
art they don't want else to hear about

962
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,359
it and very jealous of anyone else

963
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,200
knowing about his case

964
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,079
so i eventually persuaded him and

965
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,400
didn't quite work with it with harry one

966
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,040
way or another i said well

967
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:53,280
you know if you let me compile something

968
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,560
you report

969
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,200
and then you can vet it if you want

970
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,440
so he agreed eventually i ended up

971
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,760
speaking to uh

972
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:03,680
oh this is a very poor picture of him in

973
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:06,880
his cockpit of a super saber f-86d at

974
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,880
manston and he was 26 years old and so

975
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,200
this is one of their typical aircraft

976
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,320
actually the markings of the 406 group

977
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,720
that the wing down at manson there's a

978
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,960
wing of three flights

979
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,240
um

980
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,680
so

981
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,760
harry um

982
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,839
oh yes anyway i ended up emailing and

983
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:29,200
actually phoning

984
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,800
milton

985
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:33,520
and his co-pilot always saw his wing man

986
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:36,640
because on qra standby there's always

987
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,680
two aircrafts all sort of juiced up

988
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,760
ready to go and they're off in two or

989
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,760
three minutes when they get a call and

990
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,560
his name was dave roberson not robertson

991
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:48,480
roberson

992
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,520
okay

993
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,359
so i spoke to him as well who was in a

994
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,520
retirement home run by uncle sam in

995
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,720
america

996
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,720
and he was a bit reluctant to say

997
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,200
anything because pension they were

998
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:01,520
providing with home etc

999
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,109
anyway the thing is that

1000
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,880
there's some discrepancy about the date

1001
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:10,800
but he said at the time it was 20th of

1002
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,510
and they were ordered off from manson

1003
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,000
because at the time they were covering

1004
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,160
the metropolitan sector he called it the

1005
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,560
met sector and southern england and the

1006
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,119
air force had the regions of the uk

1007
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,520
covered in four separate bits and used

1008
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,040
to take it in turns for different

1009
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,440
squadrons to look after it

1010
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:36,160
well the f-86d

1011
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,839
was the fastest

1012
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,079
aircraft around at the time you could go

1013
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,520
faster than the raf venoms to

1014
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,040
get to a

1015
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,880
an enemy you know presumably a soviet

1016
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,359
intrusion

1017
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:52,160
uh and because the thing was seen

1018
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:53,760
in suffolk

1019
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,480
and they were watching the thing on this

1020
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,200
is just a manson in emblem

1021
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,640
um on radar for quite a long time

1022
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,240
before they scrambled the jets and it

1023
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,720
was hovering over ipswich and nearby

1024
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,520
ipswich stationary making funny

1025
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,160
maneuvers up and down stopping

1026
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,720
doing the typical ufo thing

1027
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:16,880
and eventually as they scramble the

1028
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,589
into the north sea

1029
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:25,359
and uh the

1030
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:31,030
gci which is ground control instructions

1031
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,520
came from this place called raf boardsee

1032
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:37,680
you can see on the distance but you've

1033
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,480
got

1034
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,520
it's absolutely there

1035
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,119
the river demon

1036
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:45,119
and boards are here one of the oldest

1037
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,320
radar stations ever has played a major

1038
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,359
role in world war ii

1039
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,119
and it's interesting you've got

1040
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,839
rendlesham you've got bent waters

1041
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,680
and woodbridge close by

1042
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,079
so this object is apparently moved

1043
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,839
across

1044
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,599
uh so when they got

1045
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,319
up there they ordered to a vector of uh

1046
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,960
or height of 32 000 feet

1047
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,560
and they had the right the thing about

1048
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,040
the super sabre they had quite a

1049
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,800
for the time sophisticated computerized

1050
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,480
radar top

1051
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,760
weapon lock-on system

1052
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,359
which was perhaps a bit crude in modern

1053
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,920
times but worked

1054
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,920
and

1055
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:29,359
as he

1056
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,150
this target which he said was huge like

1057
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,319
a battleship size

1058
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,839
because he said that he said i've never

1059
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,640
seen such a large

1060
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,160
hole he said it was like burning a hole

1061
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,520
in my scope

1062
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,920
the the the spot and reflection from his

1063
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,440
onboard radar

1064
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:51,119
she didn't need any more ground control

1065
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,240
approach

1066
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,599
because he could he couldn't see it

1067
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,119
because it was in the soup as he called

1068
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,520
it it was getting dark it was misty

1069
00:42:03,030 --> 00:41:59,920
cloud so he never had it's important to

1070
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:03,040
me you know this he didn't have a visual

1071
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,400
contact

1072
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,319
to say what the thing was like looking

1073
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,880
like it was you know a triangle or a

1074
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,200
disc or whatever

1075
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,960
so

1076
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,599
anyway i i decided to file a freedom of

1077
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,720
information requests on this case

1078
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,720
uh and got fobs off and passed around

1079
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,560
the houses as harry harris had done

1080
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,359
previously he badges the mod

1081
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,079
and we actually win the

1082
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:30,160
david clarke

1083
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,880
was

1084
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,040
referring people to release batches of

1085
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,960
documents from mod

1086
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,200
there was very little about this case

1087
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,880
but some of the documents

1088
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,200
were internal memos

1089
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,200
and one of them was from one senior

1090
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,280
person to another lots of scribble on

1091
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,880
the side

1092
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,640
making reference to this nuisance of a

1093
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,720
man called harry harris

1094
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,720
kept battering them for information so

1095
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:55,440
they fogged him off to america because

1096
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,240
it was an american squadron so harry

1097
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,480
contacted the states and

1098
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:02,160
they said they had no record i'll tell

1099
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,040
you

1100
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,280
so i i thought well the important thing

1101
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,760
here is who's given the order to fire

1102
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,000
that that's a crucial thing

1103
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,000
so i sort of worked out it wouldn't be

1104
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,640
somebody at the gci station aboard c

1105
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,640
it must be someone else

1106
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,109
144 singles unit yeah

1107
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,470
so

1108
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,640
you can just you know

1109
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,800
this is an aerial view of borsig well i

1110
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,640
was looking here because

1111
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,839
uh there's a fellow who lives in

1112
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,920
stockport who runs

1113
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,240
secret bases.com

1114
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,720
and uh he had a pal who flew private

1115
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,720
aircraft around the southern england

1116
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,920
area

1117
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,680
and i said i want some aerial low

1118
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,720
oblique in raf turns low oblique pitches

1119
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,920
aboard seeing the coast so this bloke

1120
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,760
flew his aircraft along what it was and

1121
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,839
took some

1122
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,640
from from them and sent them on which is

1123
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,319
marvelous

1124
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,720
this is the manor so the officers used

1125
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,400
to stay here

1126
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,560
this building is the actual crux of it

1127
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,640
which is still there it's a bit of a

1128
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,880
museum but it's used by

1129
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,359
sc rescue these days

1130
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,880
here they used to have

1131
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:13,760
uh

1132
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,280
missiles you know in the 60s

1133
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,520
so this is the this is a building the

1134
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,400
operations room

1135
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,079
that's his little sign talking about the

1136
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,000
museum it's only home certain times so

1137
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,870
this is repeated to be a picture

1138
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:33,119
actually inside i don't know where it

1139
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,510
um this is a

1140
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:41,119
in

1141
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:46,480
so this would be one of the radar sites

1142
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:49,920
which was in the early warning chain

1143
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,880
right down the country from yorkshire

1144
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,640
you know looking

1145
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,560
for any intrusions

1146
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,040
and this is the main

1147
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,440
scanner here funnily enough made by

1148
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,440
avro's in manchester it made it

1149
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,400
chatterton

1150
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,640
because we had a job

1151
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,079
because this was uh

1152
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,400
the sheet which bonded to honeycomb and

1153
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,160
it was getting disbonded and we have a

1154
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,800
thing called the bond tester equipment

1155
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,040
so my guys had to go down

1156
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:18,880
on

1157
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,790
what they call them his time a lot of

1158
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,839
things

1159
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,160
swaying around the wind checking it make

1160
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,319
sure it's switched off of course

1161
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,640
so anyway so there's no doubt

1162
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,319
they had this object

1163
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:35,839
from nature center which was the nearest

1164
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,510
so i got the reply back eventually after

1165
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:43,520
about two weeks

1166
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,030
it wasn't surprised when they said they

1167
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,000
have no primary source records related

1168
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,319
to this incident but it was very helpful

1169
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,480
with other information

1170
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,160
and it fitted in what i thought would be

1171
00:46:03,430 --> 00:45:59,920
the change of chain

1172
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:09,030
so that the soc is

1173
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,910
kelvin hatch which the pilot milton

1174
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,400
torres with other pilots visited

1175
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,920
in the old days

1176
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,599
it was it's underground

1177
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,240
and then the top was just a little like

1178
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,960
a bungalow and he had no idea melting

1179
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:24,240
where it was because they were taking in

1180
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,440
the van and

1181
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,599
so no idea exactly in the uk where it

1182
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,560
was

1183
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,680
so

1184
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:32,079
and then the air defense operational

1185
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,280
command

1186
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:35,359
is

1187
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:43,040
a

1188
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,160
bunker

1189
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:45,599
out to the public

1190
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,319
so in a nuclear attack the prime

1191
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,000
minister had a room down there with the

1192
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,680
bed on the rest of it

1193
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:53,280
and uh

1194
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,720
the pilots would was sort of informed

1195
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,800
where all that ground information come

1196
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,760
from

1197
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,599
but he didn't know the name of it even

1198
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,800
properly

1199
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,960
and this was the the front of it and you

1200
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,319
go through the door and you go down the

1201
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,480
passageway you go lauren in this massive

1202
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,400
underground facility

1203
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,640
so

1204
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,880
fortunately i have two xraf photographer

1205
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,119
friends from cyprus

1206
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,800
one who lives in essex who went there

1207
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,720
with his wife and took these pictures

1208
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:23,440
and then another father johnny hill who

1209
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,560
went to the fighter command headquarters

1210
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,400
in london

1211
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:30,400
near stanmore

1212
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,990
bentley prior it's called bentley priory

1213
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,599
and they have a

1214
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,520
what they call down the hole the bunker

1215
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,880
there

1216
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,359
since well two days which was in use of

1217
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,760
course during the cold war

1218
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:49,680
so

1219
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:54,560
took these pictures from it i had to get

1220
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,560
permission beforehand from the raf to

1221
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:58,640
let him to go on to take the pictures it

1222
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,560
was worth it

1223
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:03,200
and here we go milton torres himself

1224
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:06,560
uh manston at one reunions with an f-86

1225
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,550
and

1226
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,829
point this out because i slung

1227
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:16,800
underneath the aircraft they had

1228
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:19,839
24 mighty mouse missiles and these were

1229
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:23,119
the things he was told to fire

1230
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,160
and uh

1231
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,440
he said

1232
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,880
he challenged the order because he

1233
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,240
couldn't believe what he was hearing and

1234
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:30,319
he had a thing on his knee on his flying

1235
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,440
suit with codes to check and he so they

1236
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:35,760
confirmed yes

1237
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,559
it's a fire off 24 ordinance

1238
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,880
in height of cold war some unknown

1239
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,720
objects he couldn't see

1240
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,720
when there's russian aircraft you know

1241
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,559
coming into our airspace from

1242
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,640
the north sea of the north coast

1243
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,160
it was a bit of a worry

1244
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:51,839
anyway

1245
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,800
it just proves that the americans

1246
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,720
had to have permission

1247
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,480
um

1248
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,839
from what because they're in our country

1249
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,000
in our airspace to do this and as an

1250
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,960
example of firing 42

1251
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,200
sorry 24 missiles because it's wingman

1252
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,000
so there's 48 between them

1253
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,240
at this object

1254
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,839
it's a bit alarming

1255
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,280
and if you're thinking about the renders

1256
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,839
from forest incident in 1980

1257
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,319
when the the airmen

1258
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,880
left the base fire east gate or wherever

1259
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,200
they all had to leave their sidearms and

1260
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,119
rifles on the base because they couldn't

1261
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:28,800
step into british territory into the

1262
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:32,000
forest at reynoldson with the weapons

1263
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,040
so

1264
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,000
nick pope i'll come to him in a minute

1265
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:38,880
actually when this came out

1266
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,920
and not due to the mod and soft release

1267
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:44,319
then he was ufologists

1268
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:45,280
harry

1269
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,270
manson who was into

1270
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,400
a historian on saber jets

1271
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,280
duncan curtis his name he had a website

1272
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,680
and he used to go to all his reunions

1273
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,839
and he used to talk to the pilots

1274
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,079
and somehow he got out of milton taurus

1275
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,960
the story of what i'm talking about

1276
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,559
and then somehow it got in the daily

1277
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,800
star in 1991

1278
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,079
and then some other

1279
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,880
british newspaper a bit later

1280
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,960
it was all forgotten about

1281
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,000
so

1282
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,119
he didn't get to fire his missiles

1283
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,200
because

1284
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,319
he was 10 seconds to go to release them

1285
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,480
and the spot on his scope suddenly

1286
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,640
started to move very rapidly

1287
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,880
so he knew it was pulling away from him

1288
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,200
and he was pretty confident he was doing

1289
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,119
at least mach 2

1290
00:50:43,950 --> 00:50:41,520
mean he was feeling flat out

1291
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,109
86.86 was it about 700 miles an hour

1292
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,640
which was maximum and he was told to

1293
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,640
keep his after burner on

1294
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,280
to keep pace with this thing

1295
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,800
because he's using a lot more fuel than

1296
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,040
doing that which is a bit of a worry to

1297
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,800
keep you after bedroom

1298
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,200
and uh so it shot off screen so he never

1299
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,960
got a chance to lease him off

1300
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,559
if he had he might not have been alive

1301
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,800
today because there's been cases in the

1302
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,559
states many of them where there's a

1303
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,119
retaliation aircraft have been brought

1304
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,839
down lost pilots killed

1305
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,040
until

1306
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,359
the president truman stopped it

1307
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,559
this attack will just observe

1308
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,680
so

1309
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,480
he radioed gci and said it's gone off

1310
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:26,400
from scope he said yes it's gone off our

1311
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,599
radar on two sweeps of the scanner it

1312
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:31,040
gone

1313
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:32,319
so

1314
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:34,839
mach 2 what's

1315
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,240
that two thousand mile an hour so

1316
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,470
this was a later picture of the 1960s

1317
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,040
in germany i think it was in germany

1318
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,960
flying whatever it was

1319
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,270
yes now

1320
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,079
this last picture on this case

1321
00:52:01,950 --> 00:52:00,240
was an ex-politics conference in

1322
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:01,960
washington in

1323
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,960
2009 i think

1324
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,680
and uh it's run by uh

1325
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,200
our friend

1326
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,920
mr bassett steven bassett

1327
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,240
anyway colin andrews of crop circle fame

1328
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,160
we've seen reference to today

1329
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,880
was that also speaking

1330
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:19,680
and

1331
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:20,480
he

1332
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,319
kindly put all my

1333
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,720
milton torres case up on colin's website

1334
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:27,839
it's still there if you want to look at

1335
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,119
colin webb's side website

1336
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:33,920
said he ought to get the dvd

1337
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,040
of the conference and what was said

1338
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,520
particularly by nick pope

1339
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:41,280
now colin

1340
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,559
has had you know quite friendly

1341
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:45,200
relations with nick pill but you know

1342
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,119
they had a few archie barges and while

1343
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,880
at the conference he says

1344
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,040
to nick um

1345
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,280
come on you know you you've been a

1346
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,119
civilian so-called

1347
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,359
civilian before but you've left the mod

1348
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,440
and he's now living in the states

1349
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,359
um

1350
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,720
you know you're still

1351
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,640
doing your job

1352
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,119
which is previously denied to various

1353
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,440
challenges from ufologists in the past

1354
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,640
so in the end nick says to colin andrews

1355
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,559
and this is kosher

1356
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:15,839
well okay

1357
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,640
my old masters are not too far away for

1358
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:21,040
his words my old masters are not too far

1359
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,000
away

1360
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,319
which is like an admission now that he's

1361
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,640
either been paid as well or told he's

1362
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,119
got to carry on doing the debunking as

1363
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,559
much as possible

1364
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,960
and it annoyed me when i watched the

1365
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,160
opening because nick they were sharing

1366
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,160
the platform

1367
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,920
because milton was knocking on a bit he

1368
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:40,079
might even be dead now i don't know

1369
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,359
um

1370
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:43,119
his son was there to help him with his

1371
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,400
presentation

1372
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,079
which was fairly short and most of the

1373
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,319
talking was done by nick when he opens

1374
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,920
up

1375
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,800
he says

1376
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,440
he's dancing about something like

1377
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,400
you know

1378
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,520
a pilot shell sold to shoot down a ufo

1379
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,760
off the suffolk coast wow you know

1380
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,599
making a big thing of it

1381
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,200
and yet he's a man who was trying to

1382
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,599
shut it down apart from the old thing

1383
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,359
about the ministry saying of no defense

1384
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,839
significance crap to come out with for

1385
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,119
years

1386
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,359
was trying to deny

1387
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,440
that then he was saying

1388
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,000
not on the conference but separately oh

1389
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,920
it's down to the individual pilot it was

1390
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,240
his call his decision

1391
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,200
to fire his 24 mighty mouse missiles

1392
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,839
well no way would an american pilot do

1393
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,839
that he be caught marshalled if he had

1394
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,920
without the proper authority especially

1395
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,359
in our airspace

1396
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,359
he was trying to say that milton torres

1397
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,359
was firing off his records off his own

1398
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,200
but

1399
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,359
oh my

1400
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,440
pope honestly

1401
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:45,680
and never mind

1402
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,349
yeah this is

1403
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:57,119
this is another humorous bit

1404
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:58,319
but sad

1405
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,230
because when the mod declared that they

1406
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,720
would not

1407
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:08,720
they should all the records they had

1408
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,800
about ufos to the public records of the

1409
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,920
cq

1410
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,440
and there's not much happening with the

1411
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,240
apologies no more cases so it's a waste

1412
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:18,960
of time the mld spending money paying a

1413
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,680
guy to just air staff to desk to do what

1414
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,520
they've been doing like to him for three

1415
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,440
years when he was in that post

1416
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,599
absolutely rubbish

1417
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,599
now when i get my freedom this is from

1418
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,680
the freedom of information from a

1419
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,839
civilian guy the air historical branch

1420
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,920
too which was based fully enough at

1421
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,160
bentley prairie the very place where the

1422
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,520
bloody order

1423
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:41,040
higher level was given for him to shoot

1424
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,400
the things down it must be at least an

1425
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:43,760
air commodore

1426
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,640
to do that would pass the signal to

1427
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,030
what's it

1428
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:52,400
bonker

1429
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,240
and then to the gci to tell him to fire

1430
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,240
with the coded order

1431
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,109
i nearly fell off my chair

1432
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,119
the only positive thing apart from the

1433
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,880
procedures and where there was certain

1434
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:09,200
records and if someone would have enough

1435
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,799
time to go to queue

1436
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:12,400
and sit there for hours and hours

1437
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:15,680
plowing through these tnas and the a540s

1438
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:16,480
the

1439
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,400
torres sorties and orders of fire and i

1440
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,240
reckon that would have been deleted out

1441
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,920
it wouldn't be there

1442
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,520
and i don't live near enough to london

1443
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,359
200 miles away to spend all the time

1444
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,040
doing that i've never found anyone

1445
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,880
stepping forward to say well i'll do

1446
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,880
that for you david you know

1447
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,160
um

1448
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,119
he quotes me about by dave clark andy

1449
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,559
bloody

1450
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,520
roberts

1451
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,079
a book by it's all out of the shadows

1452
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,200
now i had that book i bought it in a

1453
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,760
charity shop so i wouldn't spend money

1454
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,599
on anything they've written i haven't

1455
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,720
got around to reading it and this chap

1456
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,720
this ministry man from air defenseman

1457
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,680
actually told me the page number 146 is

1458
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,599
a reference

1459
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,880
from clark

1460
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:07,839
now he he's obviously got that from that

1461
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,000
duncan curtis the x-ray of sergeant who

1462
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,480
had made some comment about it

1463
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,720
milton had brought his vowel not to talk

1464
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,160
about it because he was briefed after

1465
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,839
the episode

1466
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,480
by an american chap came from london

1467
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,480
from the nsa he used the national

1468
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,559
security agency interviewed both pilots

1469
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,640
separately and said it's a highly

1470
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,640
classified mission you don't even talk

1471
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,720
to your station commander about it or

1472
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,040
his wing commander

1473
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:35,119
but he obviously did eventually

1474
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:36,240
so

1475
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:41,920
that's the cover of the book

1476
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,920
and i've put my report at the top there

1477
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,240
and this is the page and there's only

1478
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,559
one page in a bit

1479
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,559
about it and they've got some facts on

1480
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,200
but it happens and then this is a bit of

1481
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,880
milton's own words which is in his

1482
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,880
report

1483
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,400
but on the other page interesting this

1484
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,319
fellow ralph noyes

1485
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,559
he was in nick pope's old position when

1486
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,240
it was ds-8

1487
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,680
and he became one of the leaders in the

1488
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,000
center for crop circle studies and i

1489
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,319
reckon even then they realized these

1490
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,559
crop circles in the 80s were of interest

1491
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,960
particularly to the mod and i reckon

1492
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,480
noise

1493
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,960
was told to get his foot under the table

1494
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,720
with the ccs

1495
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,119
and report back what people are making

1496
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,799
of the crop circles

1497
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:31,359
anyway that's all history now

1498
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:32,160
um

1499
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,200
so

1500
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:36,160
there we are a ufologist called dr david

1501
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,119
clarke

1502
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,520
has written about this case right

1503
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,040
no mention of it

1504
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:42,880
and then he produces for this bloody

1505
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:52,470
closed encounters of a third kind

1506
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,789
so he's written all negative things

1507
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,599
about ufos saying it's closed down

1508
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:59,599
because nothing happening and here's a

1509
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,400
man

1510
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:03,520
who's put this case in his book

1511
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,319
talk about doing a flip

1512
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,559
how well

1513
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:10,400
anyway right i'm changing chat now come

1514
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,430
this is very interesting because

1515
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,520
it's not involving the raf or the

1516
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,359
military but it's uh

1517
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:24,960
i mean most people do you know general

1518
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,640
bank and cheshire most people will do

1519
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:30,000
um

1520
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,440
big event there

1521
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,200
with three very good witnesses who i

1522
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,880
interviewed who live in the village of

1523
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:40,559
the gu street just round the road from

1524
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:41,359
the

1525
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,400
thingy

1526
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:43,680
and this was a

1527
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:47,599
18th of august 96

1528
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,400
and

1529
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:50,160
it was a sunday

1530
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,359
and

1531
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,839
the lady mary brickhill i mean

1532
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:55,119
originally she didn't want to mention

1533
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,240
her name

1534
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,680
because she had a senior position of

1535
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,440
management within the british red cross

1536
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,960
hq in knottsford

1537
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,640
so she was worried like people are the

1538
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,319
more professional people are they're

1539
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,760
more reluctant

1540
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,440
to make statements

1541
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,119
you know apart from problem with their

1542
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,839
job but being ridiculed which is a shame

1543
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,760
so she was driving her parents who lived

1544
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:15,920
in a flat in mattelsfield back after

1545
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,119
being at the sunday lunch

1546
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:27,750
just a picture of the entrance

1547
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:28,630
that's just

1548
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,470
an aerial view

1549
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,640
uh i point out this is their main laden

1550
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,559
control room

1551
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:40,400
so you can see the distance from the

1552
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,069
now there's a lot online they were

1553
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,680
traveling down this battling called

1554
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,680
bomish lane

1555
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,440
so they were sort of here somewhere so

1556
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,079
they got a very good sight of the of the

1557
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,880
dish this is the main crew london line

1558
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:01,200
railway line

1559
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,000
and this is what they saw

1560
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:06,240
so the dish was at an angle so i found

1561
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,680
established it was being in use at the

1562
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,880
time when it

1563
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,400
parked vertically up it usually means

1564
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:12,480
it's not operating it was that sort of

1565
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,280
angle

1566
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:14,880
and they realized that some sort of

1567
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:18,480
object a couple of hundred feet above

1568
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:19,760
with a

1569
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:23,200
group of three little lights on the end

1570
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:25,119
and a father who sat in the back he was

1571
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,240
um

1572
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,960
in the royal observer core in the war

1573
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,440
uh and what really grabbed him was the

1574
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:34,079
fact this soft beamed light was not

1575
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:37,440
diverging it was totally parallel

1576
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,720
filling

1577
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:40,319
you know a third of the diameter of the

1578
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,400
dish which is about 200 feet or so

1579
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,480
and that's what really

1580
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,040
got him fired up because physically

1581
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,440
a beam of light will diverge and locate

1582
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:54,160
lasers beams take a longer time to

1583
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,280
separate

1584
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,839
as these do you know

1585
01:02:01,030 --> 01:01:59,920
but nevertheless

1586
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,040
got to him

1587
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,640
but they didn't stop i think he was a

1588
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,559
bit they were a bit frightened and there

1589
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,480
was a twisted dart lane which is and

1590
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:09,119
it's dark and more or less

1591
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:10,640
so they carried on to mackinstrine and

1592
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,920
she dropped them off in the flat

1593
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,000
and that took about 50 minutes to get

1594
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,839
them home and when she returned

1595
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,000
on bomber's lane she was shocked and

1596
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,400
horrified an hour later to see it still

1597
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,640
there

1598
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:26,319
they weren't certain of whether it was a

1599
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:29,200
disc or a cylinder shape because of the

1600
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:30,559
angle

1601
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,400
so you don't really know for sure

1602
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,430
she tried to get her husband to get in

1603
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,559
the car

1604
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:42,799
and come out and back to her and see it

1605
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,280
so it was a sunday evening had a few

1606
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,680
glasses of wine and his slippers on and

1607
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,520
he declined to do that but he regretted

1608
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,720
it later

1609
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:52,640
because he had no reason to distrust his

1610
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,599
wife

1611
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:55,359
and what she'd seen

1612
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,480
so i spent a long time

1613
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,240
looking at all the properties that had a

1614
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,520
visual

1615
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,079
view from the farm or our house

1616
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:05,920
could see the main dish who might have

1617
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,319
witnessed it and i think he looked at i

1618
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:10,000
don't know

1619
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,119
12 or so maybe more properties

1620
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,200
and drew a blank

1621
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,960
then i found through a different but

1622
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:18,240
youtube related through a different

1623
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,119
reason

1624
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,440
one farmer and one farmer missed i was

1625
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,839
actually on bomish lane

1626
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,200
and uh

1627
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:27,440
his wife had to be show for driving i

1628
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:30,960
did a show for driving and retiring

1629
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,440
she worked for pharmaceutical selling

1630
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,839
stuff and

1631
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,000
she saw yes he saw it

1632
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,920
so i went to interview him a lot planned

1633
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,760
to interview him he agreed to it then he

1634
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,280
changed his mind

1635
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,960
a lot of people do

1636
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,480
why i don't know he didn't want to talk

1637
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:48,480
about it so he passed me

1638
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,630
and sort of

1639
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,160
telescope

1640
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,960
so i went to see this chat and

1641
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,319
it was something totally different a

1642
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,640
different date and more recent i think

1643
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,200
2004-ish

1644
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,680
so a lot of time going on all this and

1645
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,000
he said i went up i got to be the night

1646
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,160
about three o'clock four o'clock i think

1647
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,079
it was four o'clock to go to the toilet

1648
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:15,760
and his bathroom window

1649
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:19,200
sort of overlooked the dish

1650
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,319
but what attracted him he heard a noise

1651
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:24,079
and to him he said it sounded like a

1652
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:25,680
world war ii

1653
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,280
fighter plane like a spitfire a

1654
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,680
hurricane

1655
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,839
and it looked like it had some sort of

1656
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,599
lights on him but he couldn't be sure

1657
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:35,440
but it was going around in very tight

1658
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,680
circles above the dish

1659
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,599
well no one's going to fly historical

1660
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:41,119
aircraft

1661
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,400
three or four in the morning in the

1662
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,039
pitch door not a lot of pilots have got

1663
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,839
night flying clearance anyway

1664
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:48,960
and

1665
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,359
the ets are known to

1666
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:52,799
mimic

1667
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,599
our technologies whether it be a car

1668
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,440
plane or whatever

1669
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,599
but get the error wrong

1670
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,200
you know so that they want to mask their

1671
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,119
craft so it was certainly a ufo in my

1672
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,319
book pretending to be a spider hurricane

1673
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,799
or a spitfire or something circulating

1674
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:11,119
around do you think well why

1675
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:17,270
oh this is a simulated night shot i took

1676
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,160
thinking the guy took it

1677
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,400
now this is a view of the laboratories i

1678
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,160
took quite recently

1679
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,799
so anyway i decided to you know

1680
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:28,480
bite the bullet and i went to jodrell

1681
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:31,599
bank to try to speak to someone on the

1682
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:33,680
engineering side you know with the

1683
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:34,880
public

1684
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:35,920
and

1685
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:39,599
a very lovely

1686
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:43,680
super impressive planetarium at the time

1687
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,440
so i went in there and i was pointing to

1688
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,799
this guy

1689
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,720
who was

1690
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,960
operating as a volunteer the planetarium

1691
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:51,920
system

1692
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,359
turned out it was a ex down air pilot

1693
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,039
i remember down there we used to call

1694
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,200
them dan dare actually

1695
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,280
no no no

1696
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,440
longer on that airline anyway he wasn't

1697
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,119
phased what i'd tell him so i said i

1698
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:07,520
want to look speak to someone and look

1699
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:08,640
at the

1700
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:12,240
operational log for the night of

1701
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:13,599
uh

1702
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:17,200
18th of august 96. yeah

1703
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,559
so it was like three weeks later now

1704
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:21,280
after the event at least

1705
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:22,880
so he went to this door pressed all the

1706
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:25,200
little buttons to get in

1707
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,119
disappeared for about five minutes or

1708
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:28,960
maybe a bit longer

1709
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,200
and the door opened and this very nasty

1710
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,440
aggressive woman just came storming at

1711
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:36,160
me he slunk off presumably had his ear

1712
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,880
tube for raising the topic and

1713
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,480
someone like me entertaining someone

1714
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:42,960
like me to ask questions so she denied

1715
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:46,319
flatly to let me see the log denying

1716
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:49,280
there'd been any happening and so on

1717
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:50,079
and

1718
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:52,000
really wanted me off the premises

1719
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:53,599
so

1720
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:55,119
you know

1721
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,880
just another view of the windows here

1722
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,079
which

1723
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,240
so they're looking at their main thing

1724
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,079
now around that time

1725
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:03,520
another member of the macclesfield

1726
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,440
astronomical society was a fellow called

1727
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,160
keith griffiths who worked with me in

1728
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:10,960
ndt in fact keith eventually took my job

1729
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,440
when i took early retirement

1730
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,359
but at the time you know i was still

1731
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:17,200
working there and keith was

1732
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,559
and he said oh

1733
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:20,960
would you like to give us a talk on ufos

1734
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:23,839
you know as an astronomical society

1735
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,400
yeah so i said yeah fine fine

1736
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:27,839
and the venue was to be in the

1737
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,640
planetarium at georgia bank

1738
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:32,799
so you can guess what happened

1739
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,119
when you put notices up to

1740
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,440
the fact that as i was speaking on this

1741
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,319
topic on this state and the planetarium

1742
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:42,160
they've swiftly slammed down on that and

1743
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,440
they said to

1744
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,039
keith or one of his colleagues on the

1745
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,880
committee no way

1746
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,880
is any ufologist going to talk about

1747
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,680
ufos on the premises of general mountain

1748
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,319
radio telescope especially someone like

1749
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:56,240
me so they had to pull the plugs on the

1750
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,440
torque

1751
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,680
and i'll tell you something

1752
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,760
anyway

1753
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:03,440
this is the control room and you can

1754
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,960
quite see

1755
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,039
they've got good visual of the dish they

1756
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,119
might not have seen a craft 200 foot

1757
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,400
unless they went to the window and

1758
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,720
peered off what stepped outside

1759
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,559
to see the the thing beaming down has

1760
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:16,719
been applied

1761
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:19,279
so i was intrigued to know if this

1762
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,960
light beam was doing

1763
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:22,560
some energy which would interrupt the

1764
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,600
program

1765
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,880
that whatever they were doing and it

1766
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:27,359
clearly was

1767
01:08:35,309 --> 01:08:32,390
oh yes i'm talking about stanton

1768
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:35,319
friedman which was a

1769
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:37,600
garage conference in home for two years

1770
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:44,390
i got actually in touch with

1771
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,239
dr ian morrison who was in charge of the

1772
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:50,159
stuff there at the time i'll go back to

1773
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:51,120
the

1774
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,560
picture

1775
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,799
uh he'd been on holiday and he came back

1776
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,880
on that monday the 19th

1777
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:59,359
and it's been to a lecture he gave in

1778
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:02,080
pointing at my sister's church it's a

1779
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,199
man's place in the universe was his talk

1780
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,880
she's very good

1781
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,040
so at the end i went to chat to him as

1782
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,920
people do and i said i was into ufology

1783
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:14,080
i'd been for a while blah blah

1784
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,679
and i said to him

1785
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:17,520
do you really think

1786
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,640
that the aliens would have operators

1787
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,880
to pick up our old-fashioned radio

1788
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:24,000
signals

1789
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,040
and have equipment capable of sending a

1790
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:29,359
return message

1791
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,480
and bear in mind this was before general

1792
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,640
bank was very lucrative

1793
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,880
contract from the seti programs and the

1794
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,400
americans

1795
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,719
to take part in the

1796
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:42,640
city

1797
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,279
so he said at the time no no you're

1798
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,080
right i think they would you know so i

1799
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,400
know as you were saying sending radio

1800
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:52,000
signals out for an answer but it was a

1801
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,120
waste of time before seti became the

1802
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:57,199
topic of conversation

1803
01:10:05,030 --> 01:09:58,880
so

1804
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:05,040
santa t freeman said that famous

1805
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:06,480
statement he had

1806
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,440
seti is a stands for a silly effort to

1807
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,360
investigate

1808
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:13,199
he's very apt

1809
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,880
i think he's bang on the nail there

1810
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,000
now

1811
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:20,000
this is the planetarium sorry not the

1812
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,000
planetarium's gone from thinking of

1813
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,280
building a new one sadly but hopefully

1814
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,120
but they've got the public area there's

1815
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,199
a lot of think active things that

1816
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,280
physicists do particularly youngsters

1817
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,880
and these are two of my grandsons who

1818
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:35,199
are four and five and just to the right

1819
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,000
of

1820
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:38,480
where they are is this notice which i

1821
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,830
i'll read it if you want to read it from

1822
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:45,120
the bottom

1823
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,760
uh astronomers are

1824
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,840
discovering new planets in which alien

1825
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,920
life might exist telescopes are used to

1826
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,760
search for messages from alien

1827
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,520
civilization

1828
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,159
seti looking for clever aliens

1829
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,239
astronomers have been using telescopes

1830
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,320
including those here at jodrell bank and

1831
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:05,040
the arecibo telescope from puerto rico

1832
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,640
to looking for messages being beamed

1833
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,120
towards us by aliens living on

1834
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,679
planets orbiting other stars

1835
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,440
the search for extraterrestrial

1836
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,520
intelligence seti has been going on for

1837
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,239
more than 50 years right

1838
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,239
although no message has yet been picked

1839
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,120
up as telescopes technology improves

1840
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,800
we're able to search more and more of

1841
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:27,120
our galaxy for urgency and life

1842
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,719
what's the load of cover bubbles all

1843
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:31,120
right this is the whole seti thing is a

1844
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:32,320
stall

1845
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:33,120
they

1846
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,719
want to be the ones to make the

1847
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:39,199
announcement we're not alone they

1848
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:42,159
certainly don't want bloody ufologists

1849
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,239
to be doing this

1850
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:46,400
and i think it's american policy they're

1851
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:48,080
throwing a lot of dollars at this seti

1852
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,040
idea

1853
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:50,880
there's a fob off to make the public

1854
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,719
think we are seriously looking for e.t

1855
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,719
are they hell looking seriously looking

1856
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,040
i think he said loaded can't develop

1857
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,310
a very full picture of dr morrison who

1858
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,239
is now a professor i believe and moved

1859
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,800
on to wales a lovely chat all bubbly and

1860
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,960
enthusiastic

1861
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,199
and been on the manchester local radio

1862
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,800
and local papers

1863
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,040
and when they got the contract the first

1864
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,040
contract they've answered some sins he

1865
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,440
was all full of it what marvelous thing

1866
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,000
because the telescope you know 50 years

1867
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:26,320
old 40 years at the time was falling to

1868
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:28,320
bits so they wanted the money from the

1869
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,520
americans

1870
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,760
to help maintain it i can't blame them

1871
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:33,520
for that

1872
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:34,400
so

1873
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,960
because i want to get it word for word

1874
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:41,360
so he was interviewed

1875
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,189
this was to uh

1876
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,709
occult his actual statement to the

1877
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:00,320
newspaper

1878
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,520
restates the general banks astronomers

1879
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,280
overall opinion really a futility of

1880
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:07,520
seti program even though they're happy

1881
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,830
dr morrison goes on to express his

1882
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:15,760
annoyance that none of these aliens ever

1883
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,560
come to talk to us i mean they had their

1884
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:20,560
bloody aliens for over an hour i know in

1885
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,679
december 96 sorry august above their own

1886
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,040
telescope

1887
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,520
so i mean

1888
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,920
this is what he said anyway the trouble

1889
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:31,840
is that communication with other planets

1890
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:34,719
takes a long time we're looking at stars

1891
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,760
up to perhaps 150 light years away

1892
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,840
it means that if we ever did pick up any

1893
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,679
message it could have been sent up to

1894
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,679
150 years ago

1895
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:45,520
and of course if we actually sent a

1896
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:46,560
reply

1897
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,600
that will be 300 years later so you can

1898
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,920
see that interstellar communication is a

1899
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,840
slow process

1900
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,520
i think joshua bank

1901
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,360
would still be around to receive the

1902
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:58,880
signal back

1903
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,520
so in a way he's sort of pouring cold

1904
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,440
water on the set everything but being

1905
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:05,840
keen to have it

1906
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,800
now

1907
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,960
asked about aliens and what they may

1908
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,480
look like

1909
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,719
he was not prepared to take the word of

1910
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:14,719
alien abductees

1911
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,520
so american is aware of

1912
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:19,840
the abduction

1913
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,960
scenarios isn't it to say that

1914
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:24,320
so

1915
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,440
um his response was this is not meant to

1916
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,920
sound big-headed but if i were going to

1917
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,000
visit and i wanted to make contact with

1918
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,880
people there meaning here

1919
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,960
i would deliberately aim to talk to

1920
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,960
scientists and astronomers and people

1921
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,960
like that because they at least would

1922
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:42,880
have something in common

1923
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,520
that's what he said to the press

1924
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:47,360
it annoys me that none of these aliens

1925
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,550
there you go

1926
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,990
this is another view and control them

1927
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,600
some years ago

1928
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:01,280
and this is

1929
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:02,880
professor

1930
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:03,920
lovell

1931
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:06,800
on the control desk up here

1932
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,400
sadly now deceased

1933
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:12,560
another view of the control room so you

1934
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:16,000
can see they've got a good view

1935
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,149
i'm not an mp or xmp now

1936
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:25,120
so also visiting this is professor tim

1937
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,880
o'brien on the right

1938
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:28,800
talking to george osborne

1939
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,640
about two years ago i think yes 2015.

1940
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:34,239
so i think george was asking if he got

1941
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,750
so you might have said well it's out of

1942
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,520
ours it's minimum wage you've got to sit

1943
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,360
in an uncomfortable chair all night

1944
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:45,040
looking through the window

1945
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,679
uh to record any ufo visits

1946
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:49,040
so i think he said oh i've got more

1947
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,550
just my joke

1948
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:58,790
yeah

1949
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,199
now i put this picture back because in

1950
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:03,040
connection with this

1951
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:04,640
um

1952
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:12,149
yeah last september i think

1953
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,600
uh

1954
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,040
from a brother-in-law or

1955
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,960
ex-brother-in-law

1956
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:18,880
um

1957
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,239
there there's a chat with me i can't say

1958
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,480
who he is because

1959
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,480
uh he might be in trouble

1960
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,280
with joshua bank but he worked there

1961
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,760
and i recounted the story very briefly

1962
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:31,679
as i've said to you all this afternoon

1963
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:33,679
and he said

1964
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:37,360
interesting what you say because

1965
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:39,199
when they were computerizing all the

1966
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,400
records from day one from 1957 when it

1967
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,679
started

1968
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:46,080
to now all the records for the month of

1969
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,520
august 1996 i miss it

1970
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,000
another case of hiding the evidence

1971
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,320
somewhere

1972
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,760
and then

1973
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:57,679
um

1974
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:04,149
uh yeah and the end of 2016 was august

1975
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,280
it was the same

1976
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:07,360
20 years to the day actually practically

1977
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:10,320
21st of august a couple driving from

1978
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:12,560
holmes chapel

1979
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,480
back to mattersfield and they passed

1980
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,320
very close the road the main road passes

1981
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,640
close to the telescope quarter past

1982
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:20,239
midnight it was

1983
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:22,800
and they saw this object over the dish

1984
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,280
with very sprightly

1985
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,360
sparkly lights on it

1986
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:29,199
moving into peculiar fashion the lights

1987
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,480
not the craft

1988
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:31,920
they didn't see any beam coming down

1989
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,440
like that

1990
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,280
so they stopped the car and got out to

1991
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,280
have a better look

1992
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,280
and eventually got back in the car and

1993
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,360
when he got to chelford roundabout and

1994
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,120
people around here don't know what i

1995
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,280
mean but you're about two miles further

1996
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,800
on where you turn right to go to

1997
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,320
macclesfield

1998
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,159
stop you can still see it

1999
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,920
you know because it was like 200 foot or

2000
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:54,080
so above

2001
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,280
so the husband apparently

2002
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,199
despite his wife saying it's a waste of

2003
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,840
time rang jojo bank up

2004
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,080
and got this chap on the phone some

2005
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:06,080
engineer i guess or whatever a duty

2006
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:07,199
engineer

2007
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:10,000
who was sounded very disinterested and

2008
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,600
denied all knowledge

2009
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,360
and his phone call was a waste of time

2010
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:15,199
because there was no acknowledgement

2011
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:16,480
anything had happened

2012
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,600
so i'm aware oh i forgot when i was

2013
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,080
first researching the original one

2014
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:24,840
i put an advert in the

2015
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,719
local um

2016
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,760
cheshire paper and the journalist there

2017
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,360
brosta his name

2018
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,440
pointed me to a little local freebie

2019
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,199
paper in gooseberry village and where

2020
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,080
the chap lived who produces handwritten

2021
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,239
documents some knots on his door and he

2022
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,480
hadn't seen anything but he said

2023
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:45,199
in 1966 which was shortly after it was

2024
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,400
commissioned

2025
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:48,080
there was an object cited over the

2026
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,520
telescope

2027
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:51,920
so again there's another case of these

2028
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:54,320
ets looking to see what we're up to in

2029
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:56,719
technologies particularly radio

2030
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,440
telescopes looking into their patch

2031
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:01,760
so i know four instances now where

2032
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,040
general bank have had witnesses to

2033
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:06,880
solid you know

2034
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,870
oh so of course we also get apart from

2035
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:15,120
aliens you get the royals delivering all

2036
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:16,510
people arguing the same thing

2037
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:19,040
[Music]

2038
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:21,199
just a joke about what the royal family

2039
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:22,480
are

2040
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,640
yeah so this is obviously a while about

2041
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:26,239
because prince charles looks a bit

2042
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,719
nervous today professor lovell i think

2043
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,400
he was the local um

2044
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:32,239
dunedin tree

2045
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:34,880
now just quickly to end off this is the

2046
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,480
aracebo radio telescope in puerto rico

2047
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,640
which at the time was the biggest

2048
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,480
i mean general banks that bear in mind

2049
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,560
was the biggest telescope

2050
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,560
steerable telescope in the whole of

2051
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,760
europe

2052
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,520
and this is

2053
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:51,840
arecibo which was i don't know

2054
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,840
three or four times the size

2055
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:56,080
and pizza rico as we all know from

2056
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,440
ufology is a very useful hotspot

2057
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:01,280
and i i just

2058
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,719
i imagine that

2059
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,800
visited arecibo or somewhere but that's

2060
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,480
never been reported

2061
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,400
and then this is the latest so last year

2062
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:10,880
the chinese one which is

2063
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,280
30 times bigger than arecibo or jupiter

2064
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,600
bangladesh or which

2065
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:18,480
so the chinese usually have been

2066
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:22,320
fairly open about ufo stuff aren't they

2067
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,640
so i'm interested so to know in future

2068
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,800
whether we see your news reports that

2069
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,880
you know the chinese have

2070
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:30,960
had some visits to their new radio

2071
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:32,400
telescope so

2072
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,520
if if seti's a waste of time

2073
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,080
upon the why on earth are they building

2074
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,480
such huge radio telescopes

2075
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:41,840
okay there may be other things they want

2076
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:44,719
to learn from out there not et's to be

2077
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:49,510
oh

2078
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:51,440
just to show this and here we are which

2079
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,560
is

2080
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,239
smashing picture taken by accident she

2081
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:56,560
was photographing the the goats this is

2082
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:58,239
in crete

2083
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,520
just

2084
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,360
where the

2085
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,280
strong leader burgess and his crew and

2086
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,440
the shackleton had their ufo encounter

2087
01:21:10,630 --> 01:21:07,600
so they do come for the sunshine

2088
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:11,990
how many people have seen that before

2089
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,400
but it's a kraken he says face it ralph

2090
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:17,840
you've been here afternoon he's still

2091
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:23,110
and his stanton's saying

2092
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:26,719
remember folks flying sources are real

2093
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:33,830
and of course they are here because

2094
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:40,950
spaceship for rent

2095
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:47,990
well a couple years ago i was very proud

2096
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,159
and privileged to receive this award

2097
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:52,480
from gary hesseltein at his

2098
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,400
2015 conference complete surprise and i

2099
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:58,000
was a mystery guest

2100
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,920
on stage just like i did with dot street

2101
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:01,360
in a way

2102
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,520
to watford recently

2103
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,159
and uh got some

2104
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,080
services to british ufology or some

2105
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:10,560
people saying disservice perhaps

2106
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,679
i'm ending up with my birthday cake

2107
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:15,520
taking an angle scene where i spent my

2108
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,800
80th

2109
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,880
and my family my daughter eldest

2110
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:20,560
daughter medicaid assisted by

2111
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,760
brother-in-law

2112
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:24,400
and grandson who were into the vulcan

2113
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:27,840
fight xh558 involving so marvelous k

2114
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:30,239
fantastic and he even put

2115
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:31,120
on the

2116
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,239
tail there

2117
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:34,159
xm607

2118
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:35,120
which was

2119
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,280
the vulcan that

2120
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,400
martin withers dfc flew to drop his

2121
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:42,320
bombs on port stanley

2122
01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:44,960
something else so that's that's me done

2123
01:22:53,700 --> 01:23:04,470
[Applause]

2124
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:07,590
any questions hey

2125
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:11,280
david um those images of the mutilations

2126
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,639
of humans on the dark web you mentioned

2127
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,239
um

2128
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:18,080
is that quite a recent thing that that

2129
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,840
was found i mean where was that filed i

2130
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:21,840
don't you know the background

2131
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:30,149
in util you know

2132
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:31,510
brazil

2133
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,750
would that have been a police person who

2134
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,600
would have uploaded those photos because

2135
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,679
they were concerned

2136
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:43,280
no because we don't know who uploaded

2137
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:44,320
them but those

2138
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:45,360
were

2139
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:50,629
recently

2140
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:52,400
and i did a long

2141
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,679
report

2142
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,400
interchangeably about the brazilian 1998

2143
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,400
case considering he was one of the main

2144
01:24:01,590 --> 01:24:00,080
promoters of that

2145
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,600
and passed the information to graham

2146
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,440
burzel and eventually tell me dad and

2147
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:05,760
then tommy passed me the information way

2148
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,920
back

2149
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:08,719
and

2150
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:11,120
but gary's conference in

2151
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:12,000
well

2152
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,080
2015 when aj was speaking

2153
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:18,080
i took him that picture of that young

2154
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:19,440
man

2155
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:22,320
he made a print for him and he

2156
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,320
grew up in the in the hotel just outside

2157
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,400
his room and he sort of took it to the

2158
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:27,920
window as a light looked and made no

2159
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,760
comment and then we went downstairs to

2160
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,199
the bar to have a drink because i

2161
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:33,520
haven't seen him since 2006 since the

2162
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,400
nourishing national ufo conference in

2163
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,880
carrick on shannon

2164
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:40,000
and he

2165
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:41,520
he never made comments that was a bit

2166
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,239
odd anyway the conference did a meal in

2167
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:46,719
the bar at the indian restaurant he'd

2168
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:48,000
had a few

2169
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,000
beers and he was

2170
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,840
richard was there as well just ordering

2171
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,600
a drink

2172
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,760
and then richard he told it to richard

2173
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:57,199
first and richard disappeared in the

2174
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,639
toilet

2175
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,159
and he said to me

2176
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,000
i'm very sorry about this david he said

2177
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,880
i'm very sorry but this man's injuries

2178
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:06,960
were down to

2179
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:09,920
rats and vultures

2180
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,920
and i couldn't believe my ears what he

2181
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:13,600
was saying and i said

2182
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,960
there's a

2183
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,360
publisher have a copy translated into

2184
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,600
english of the two medics who did his

2185
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,960
post-mortem

2186
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,040
clearly saying apart from the poor man

2187
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:25,600
was alive he had vital

2188
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,159
reactions to injuries which

2189
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,159
aren't my pathologist he looked at the

2190
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,880
pitches confirmed that the bluish was

2191
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,400
the fact that he was alive and this

2192
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,280
bluey bruising is the fact that you know

2193
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:38,960
there's blood there

2194
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,719
and he eventually died of

2195
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:42,480
attack heart attack due to the shock and

2196
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:45,199
pain of the injuries he was receiving

2197
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,709
saying it was now and it turned out on a

2198
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,880
lot back of stuff he'd been saying that

2199
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:54,880
since 2002.

2200
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,320
so i i postulated and said to him

2201
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,719
i suggested to him through emails have

2202
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,880
you been warned off because

2203
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:05,360
the lecture he gave for gary was all

2204
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:06,400
about

2205
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,080
some years ago the brazilian air force

2206
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,920
and the brazilian authorities released

2207
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,679
all their ufo stuff

2208
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:15,360
and him and her colleagues sat in

2209
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,800
meetings with all this brass hats

2210
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,800
handing over all this information from

2211
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,239
their air force about you felt so i

2212
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,960
thought have has the deal being we give

2213
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:26,960
you this stuff but you must no longer

2214
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,520
promote human mutilation

2215
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,280
but he strongly denied it like i'm

2216
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:33,440
seeing no motive

2217
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:35,920
because he's an intelligent bloke and

2218
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:38,560
that explains why he was cool and never

2219
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:40,800
commented on the image that

2220
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:43,280
that young man showed him

2221
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:45,600
to me because he knew

2222
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:47,360
he was in trouble but

2223
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:50,080
the young lady the sandra

2224
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:54,080
hart benedict hyphenated surname

2225
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,000
he seemed to be aware of he tried to say

2226
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,840
that was some sort of

2227
01:27:01,110 --> 01:26:59,280
um

2228
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,120
natural thing i don't know what he said

2229
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:03,040
he had an excuse

2230
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:05,760
so so that's two cases at least that was

2231
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:08,480
in brazil as well yes yeah not far from

2232
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:09,280
uh

2233
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:11,440
where they found the guy in 1998 you

2234
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,239
know

2235
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,719
big country brazil but

2236
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:17,440
a couple hundred miles down the coast

2237
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:20,000
and looked it where it was in the map

2238
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:21,440
so

2239
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,080
i know linda multnow i guess she's very

2240
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:28,800
anti-human mutants

2241
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,920
and she put this statement out ages ago

2242
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,120
saying

2243
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,280
oh she's spotting to the american medic

2244
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:37,600
who was involved with the korean uh the

2245
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:43,590
who had seen a lot of injuries from

2246
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,280
asian orange which should have sprayed

2247
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:46,800
right

2248
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,639
five minutes

2249
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,840
okay

2250
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,000
and i thought well i looked up agent

2251
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:54,400
orange video on the internet

2252
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,360
and it's it's chemical which causes skin

2253
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:00,000
burns and also on number one children

2254
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:05,590
birth defects you know

2255
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:07,600
when the child is born

2256
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,639
um

2257
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,560
and it certainly doesn't cut neat holes

2258
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,639
in tissue remove internal organs through

2259
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,800
small halls and here's linda moulton

2260
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,239
hale an intelligent woman who's

2261
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,480
investigating animal mutilations for

2262
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,560
well over 20 years

2263
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:22,080
or longer

2264
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:24,239
one enemy award for a film on on the

2265
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,440
stuff

2266
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,639
so i asked

2267
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,280
has she been warned off because she's

2268
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:31,199
a resident guest on coast to coast

2269
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,719
pretty well

2270
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,840
so if there's anything to do with

2271
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,520
mutilations

2272
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,440
the guy who runs coast to coast of his

2273
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:39,040
name is these days

2274
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,800
they probably pass it to linda and she

2275
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,800
vets what is said

2276
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:45,360
and i reckon she's to keep her private

2277
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:47,920
profile up in her spot and the website

2278
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,520
earth files

2279
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,199
uh without interference from the

2280
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:53,520
authorities you've got to drop

2281
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,320
reference to human mutilation and that's

2282
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:58,320
the very topic which is really going to

2283
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:59,280
spook

2284
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:01,600
everybody the populace isn't it

2285
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:03,199
and all these people are going missing

2286
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:05,360
we discuss the missing people didn't we

2287
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:10,470
tony dodd said on the police files in

2288
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,280
new york city 30 000 people missing

2289
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,440
so he said if you allow for

2290
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:16,880
suicides

2291
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:19,440
people drowning or falling down a man

2292
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,000
whole shaft somewhere never found

2293
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:24,560
or deliberately want to be

2294
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:26,480
like lord luke and disappear for

2295
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,440
marriage or financial reason

2296
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:31,040
all the usual things that the police

2297
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:34,480
would investigate if you're not 10

2298
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,679
for that what's happened to all the rest

2299
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,360
so they're obviously

2300
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,360
taking lots of people who have never

2301
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:43,360
come back i mean there are abductors who

2302
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:45,440
repeatedly take and repeatedly attain

2303
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,360
because they want to monitor and take

2304
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:49,360
dna from people through different stages

2305
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:52,480
in life so they are safeguarded in some

2306
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:55,199
cases they are enhanced

2307
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:58,159
in attributes as i think david biggs is

2308
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,400
because he was you know just a normal

2309
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,560
blow interest in rugby and

2310
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,639
having a drink and

2311
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:06,880
after his experience he's developed

2312
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,360
skills in photography art

2313
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:11,840
singing poetry

2314
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:13,760
one of his daughters because four of

2315
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:15,520
them were taking the car

2316
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:17,199
developed rapidly and had to move from

2317
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:19,040
school to school because she was way

2318
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:21,360
ahead of everyone else so that some

2319
01:30:24,550 --> 01:30:23,360
people are looked after physically have

2320
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:24,560
injuries

2321
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,560
that normally would kill you and they

2322
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:28,080
are restored and the medics are

2323
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,760
scratching their heads saying how on

2324
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,600
earth is this person healed you know we

2325
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,440
couldn't fix that so if you look at all

2326
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:35,840
this sort of stuff

2327
01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:38,159
it's clear to me anyway that they are

2328
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:42,080
got certain people targeted for life

2329
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:43,600
and they want something off them and

2330
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:46,800
information and tissue and blood maybe

2331
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,360
reproductive tissue

2332
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:51,840
but all the rest never has found what's

2333
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:53,679
happened to them it's

2334
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:55,360
a lot of them are young people too

2335
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:57,280
children

2336
01:31:05,910 --> 01:30:58,960
there's that guy in the states he has a

2337
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:07,350
and he covers

2338
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:08,960
national forests in

2339
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:11,199
california in one particular area and

2340
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,320
it's tremendous it was like 411 people

2341
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,560
in one month or something

2342
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,760
that's why he came up with that he's

2343
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,679
written books as well

2344
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:22,080
so i mean if everyone across the world

2345
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:24,400
did that sort of research that figure of

2346
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:26,000
missing people would jump up

2347
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:28,159
fantastically

2348
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:34,550
anyway i hope you found that of interest

2349
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,719
but i decided it was some good evidence

2350
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:40,480
you know a normal nature without going

2351
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:42,880
into the animal stuff or human mutes to

2352
01:31:50,350 --> 01:31:45,280
show you those are around and my

2353
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:54,930
something else

2354
01:31:54,940 --> 01:32:08,650
[Applause]